Comments on: Social Conditioning: The Differently Abled http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200607/social-conditioning-the-differently-abled/ standards, accessibility, and ranting and general stuff by the web chemist Sun, 06 Apr 2008 04:30:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Mike Cherim http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200607/social-conditioning-the-differently-abled/#comment-21 Mike Cherim Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:35:57 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200607/social-conditioning-the-differently-abled/#comment-21 In the US I <em>think</em> the term "visually impaired" is the parlance de jour. A lot of this terminology comes not from those afflicted, but from government and certain rights groups who think they are doing good by constantly re-writing labels. I once knew a guy who was blind. According to him he was blind. He didn't think much of these ever-sensitive labels well-meaning people apply. It's sort of like blacks in America. It wasn't until the 70s (I think) that "black" caught on as the term used to identify black people. However, to the blacks, they considered themselves black for 20-30 years prior to that time, maybe longer. And today, political correctness tells us -- in the States -- to refer to them as African Americans (unless they aren't from Africa). However, to black people, I think they still haven't changed a thing and consider themselves blacks. Labels can suck. In the US I think the term “visually impaired” is the parlance de jour. A lot of this terminology comes not from those afflicted, but from government and certain rights groups who think they are doing good by constantly re-writing labels.

I once knew a guy who was blind. According to him he was blind. He didn’t think much of these ever-sensitive labels well-meaning people apply.

It’s sort of like blacks in America. It wasn’t until the 70s (I think) that “black” caught on as the term used to identify black people. However, to the blacks, they considered themselves black for 20-30 years prior to that time, maybe longer. And today, political correctness tells us — in the States — to refer to them as African Americans (unless they aren’t from Africa). However, to black people, I think they still haven’t changed a thing and consider themselves blacks.

Labels can suck.

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By: Emma http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200607/social-conditioning-the-differently-abled/#comment-19 Emma Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:17:49 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200607/social-conditioning-the-differently-abled/#comment-19 Great article! I was talking about this with a friend just yesterday and said the exact same thing about visually impaired sounding like someone who was ugly! He said "visually impaired" is actually incorrect as it means that a person is unable to visualise something, and blind/partially-sighted users can visualise ideas as well as the rest of us - better to use "vision impaired" if going down this route. Great article! I was talking about this with a friend just yesterday and said the exact same thing about visually impaired sounding like someone who was ugly!

He said “visually impaired” is actually incorrect as it means that a person is unable to visualise something, and blind/partially-sighted users can visualise ideas as well as the rest of us - better to use “vision impaired” if going down this route.

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By: Donna http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200607/social-conditioning-the-differently-abled/#comment-18 Donna Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:58:45 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200607/social-conditioning-the-differently-abled/#comment-18 Nice article Jack! :) Just a small thing about that RNIB quote - it's from our publications archives, which means it dates from before 2000, so not really an indicator of current thinking etc. It was a review of the various terms which either were in use at the time or which <strong>might</strong> be appropriate (or not) in different circumstances. The article was kind of tackling the same issue you've addressed in this article, in fact, albeit in a more formal way. However the usage on the RNIB website which you noted is a better indication of RNIB's current policy regarding "what words to use". :) Nice article Jack! :)

Just a small thing about that RNIB quote - it’s from our publications archives, which means it dates from before 2000, so not really an indicator of current thinking etc. It was a review of the various terms which either were in use at the time or which might be appropriate (or not) in different circumstances. The article was kind of tackling the same issue you’ve addressed in this article, in fact, albeit in a more formal way.
However the usage on the RNIB website which you noted is a better indication of RNIB’s current policy regarding “what words to use”. :)

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By: Mark Magennis (DRem) http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200607/social-conditioning-the-differently-abled/#comment-17 Mark Magennis (DRem) Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:17:22 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200607/social-conditioning-the-differently-abled/#comment-17 There are a lot of sides to this debate and reasons why language is important, but a big part of the problem is missinterpretation due to lack of bandwidth. Far too often, it is deemed to be the fault of the person at the transmitting end (who used the wrong words), but the solution lies as much with the person at the receiving end (who assumed the wrong meaning). Also, the trasmiter is often very restricted in what they can do, whereas the receiver is in a much better position to do prevent missinterpretation. Reading your article from beginning to end, it is obvious that you have no disrespect for people with disabilities, you don't want to cause any offence to anyone and you recognise the dificulties natural language presents. However, that picture emerges across a long article (high bandwidth) but it might be quite difficult to convey it in a shorter space (less bandwith). If, after reading your article, I still have doubts, I can ask you to clarify what you mean and hold a conversation with you about it (more bandwidth). Ultimately, it would be best to meet yo, get to know you and live with you for a while (huge bandwidth). Then I'd be able to really judge your attitudes. And this is what it's all about. Actual attitudes. Then it doesn't matter so much what words you use because I know what you mean. Just the same as I know what my mother means when she talks about "coloured people", which to many is a derogatory term, but to her is more respectful than "blacks" (I've tried explaining but it's useless). With lower bandwidth, we inevitably have problems accurately communicating. If you had to make a reference to people with disabilities in a single phrase outside of the context of a long article like this, you would not be able to explain your choice of words. So I, as the receiver, would have to accept that, cut you a little slack and avoid making assumptions or jumping to conclusions about your intentions based on very little evidence. It's difficult. When someone uses all caps in an email message it really does LOOK LIKE THEY'RE SHOUTING. But I think it is up to us when we receive messages to be more open, less judgemental and keep in mind the difficulties inherent in expressing meaning through low bandwidth. There are a lot of sides to this debate and reasons why language is important, but a big part of the problem is missinterpretation due to lack of bandwidth. Far too often, it is deemed to be the fault of the person at the transmitting end (who used the wrong words), but the solution lies as much with the person at the receiving end (who assumed the wrong meaning). Also, the trasmiter is often very restricted in what they can do, whereas the receiver is in a much better position to do prevent missinterpretation.

Reading your article from beginning to end, it is obvious that you have no disrespect for people with disabilities, you don’t want to cause any offence to anyone and you recognise the dificulties natural language presents. However, that picture emerges across a long article (high bandwidth) but it might be quite difficult to convey it in a shorter space (less bandwith). If, after reading your article, I still have doubts, I can ask you to clarify what you mean and hold a conversation with you about it (more bandwidth). Ultimately, it would be best to meet yo, get to know you and live with you for a while (huge bandwidth). Then I’d be able to really judge your attitudes. And this is what it’s all about. Actual attitudes. Then it doesn’t matter so much what words you use because I know what you mean. Just the same as I know what my mother means when she talks about “coloured people”, which to many is a derogatory term, but to her is more respectful than “blacks” (I’ve tried explaining but it’s useless).

With lower bandwidth, we inevitably have problems accurately communicating. If you had to make a reference to people with disabilities in a single phrase outside of the context of a long article like this, you would not be able to explain your choice of words. So I, as the receiver, would have to accept that, cut you a little slack and avoid making assumptions or jumping to conclusions about your intentions based on very little evidence.

It’s difficult. When someone uses all caps in an email message it really does LOOK LIKE THEY’RE SHOUTING. But I think it is up to us when we receive messages to be more open, less judgemental and keep in mind the difficulties inherent in expressing meaning through low bandwidth.

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