Comments on: Accessibility: Making it all worthwhile http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/ standards, accessibility, and ranting and general stuff by the web chemist Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:19:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: shane’s personal blog and podcast » Top Tech Tidbits for Thursday, October 25, 2007 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20383 shane’s personal blog and podcast » Top Tech Tidbits for Thursday, October 25, 2007 Sun, 28 Oct 2007 00:30:02 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20383 [...] Network for this blog post explaining in human terms why web accessibility is a good idea. www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/ 3) Jamal Mazrui’s latest project is a programmer’s tool called IronCOM, which allows [...] […] Network for this blog post explaining in human terms why web accessibility is a good idea. http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/ 3) Jamal Mazrui’s latest project is a programmer’s tool called IronCOM, which allows […]

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By: Dave http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20344 Dave Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:58:52 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20344 What would make it all worthwhile for me is to hear from a user of my co.'s site. We all agree here that accessibility is good, but it's hard to justify spending great amounts of time when we've never had any request for more/better or any thanks for what we already do...is it really helping anyone? What would make it all worthwhile for me is to hear from a user of my co.’s site. We all agree here that accessibility is good, but it’s hard to justify spending great amounts of time when we’ve never had any request for more/better or any thanks for what we already do…is it really helping anyone?

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By: Dan Comden http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20197 Dan Comden Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:58:12 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20197 Thanks for that. Sometimes I feel like I'm banging my head against walls trying to get developers to pay attention to accessibility. Good to have some affirmation that what we're doing really does matter to real people. Thanks for that. Sometimes I feel like I’m banging my head against walls trying to get developers to pay attention to accessibility. Good to have some affirmation that what we’re doing really does matter to real people.

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By: Andy Mabbett http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20191 Andy Mabbett Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:39:09 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20191 As I've said before: I don't know anyone who can guarantee that they won't have a disability tomorrow. As I’ve said before: I don’t know anyone who can guarantee that they won’t have a disability tomorrow.

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By: Rob Mason http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20140 Rob Mason Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:49:29 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20140 /applause/ /applause/

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By: Karl http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20136 Karl Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:12:06 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20136 Thanks for a good (Monday) read Jack. I'm definitely the troublemaker at work when senior managers don't see the need for an accessible Intranet, for example. Being reminded of who we're actually working for with real-life examples certainly helps to keep on going. Thanks for a good (Monday) read Jack. I’m definitely the troublemaker at work when senior managers don’t see the need for an accessible Intranet, for example. Being reminded of who we’re actually working for with real-life examples certainly helps to keep on going.

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By: Seb Crump http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20031 Seb Crump Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:26:29 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20031 I'm totally with you on the concerns about other's perceptions of you. I've recently changed jobs; I'm no longer on the front-line and having to tell people they can't do that and it's a great relief. I'm also glad that I can take a break from the argumentative world of accessibility - or at least I feel and be far more selective about what I choose to be involved with, rather than it being my job to try and get involved with everything. Liz Ball's article is interesting and I shall certainly keep it my arsenal of links to send people who don't get why it's important. It is, however, not the answer for every situation (of course, and there is no reason it should be). The frustration and difficulty I find is arguments like "blind people can't join the [armed forces or similar career], so none of that matter, we don't have to be accessible", ie. people like Liz are not in the target audience and therefore accessibility is not relevant. The counter argument I, and others I'm sure, trot out is the "right to everyone to access the information", seems a little tired. I think the main problem is the lack of understanding or appreciation about "reasonableness". Personally I try to take the middle link and posit that it is not necessarily appropriate that everything is totally accessible. This has been even more difficult though; I sometime feel like being persecuted from both sides (rather like I understand bisexuals are). I should probably stop ranting now before I start getting into a dozen examples - perhaps you're right Jack I need my own blog, but I'm trying to get away from the accessibility debate for the moment. Hmmm, I don't think that's going to happen somehow... I’m totally with you on the concerns about other’s perceptions of you.

I’ve recently changed jobs; I’m no longer on the front-line and having to tell people they can’t do that and it’s a great relief. I’m also glad that I can take a break from the argumentative world of accessibility - or at least I feel and be far more selective about what I choose to be involved with, rather than it being my job to try and get involved with everything.

Liz Ball’s article is interesting and I shall certainly keep it my arsenal of links to send people who don’t get why it’s important. It is, however, not the answer for every situation (of course, and there is no reason it should be). The frustration and difficulty I find is arguments like “blind people can’t join the [armed forces or similar career], so none of that matter, we don’t have to be accessible”, ie. people like Liz are not in the target audience and therefore accessibility is not relevant. The counter argument I, and others I’m sure, trot out is the “right to everyone to access the information”, seems a little tired.

I think the main problem is the lack of understanding or appreciation about “reasonableness”. Personally I try to take the middle link and posit that it is not necessarily appropriate that everything is totally accessible. This has been even more difficult though; I sometime feel like being persecuted from both sides (rather like I understand bisexuals are).

I should probably stop ranting now before I start getting into a dozen examples - perhaps you’re right Jack I need my own blog, but I’m trying to get away from the accessibility debate for the moment. Hmmm, I don’t think that’s going to happen somehow…

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By: Ryan Benson http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20026 Ryan Benson Sat, 20 Oct 2007 06:35:14 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20026 Where I work, I am slowly getting e-mails to the effect of you're that guy who knows accessibility stuff right? A few years ago I felt like the trouble maker, still do sometimes... Where I work, I am slowly getting e-mails to the effect of you’re that guy who knows accessibility stuff right? A few years ago I felt like the trouble maker, still do sometimes…

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By: Mike Cherim http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20015 Mike Cherim Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:14:37 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/#comment-20015 Like some zealot or troublemaker. Sigh. That's how it feels sometimes. The masses can't be bothered, and God help you if you bring it up in mixed company. It's not easy wearing a white hat. Thanks for posting this Jack. Like some zealot or troublemaker. Sigh. That’s how it feels sometimes. The masses can’t be bothered, and God help you if you bring it up in mixed company. It’s not easy wearing a white hat. Thanks for posting this Jack.

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