Comments on: Opera, CSS and the Working Group: there’s no need to get tetchy

By: fantasai

fantasai — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:55:11 +0000

OK, if you’re going to alter reality then I’ll cheat and tone it down, too. I think I owe it to Håkon and Alex to let their statements speak for themselves.

Joe, I don’t have a problem with Andy posting what he wants without asking permission. I do have a problem with him claiming to have an inside view despite not showing up to a single meeting (F2F or telecon) since his first TP and not having otherwise developed a working relationship with the people involved. He could have used his unique opportunity to discuss the potential problems he sees with the people concerned before posting such negative and inflammatory statements, but he did not. He didn’t even try. I consider that inconsiderate and unprofessional behavior, not least because it is misleading. The CSSWG does not play the numbers game. If we did, we would have very few people left.

By: Joe Clark

Joe Clark — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:21:40 +0000

Listen, I want everybody in CSS WG to stop acting like Andy Clarke has some kind of dues to pay before he speaks his mind. He didn’t need to ask anyone if he could call for the dissolution of the Working Group. He could do that if he wanted.

I can’t believe you people.

By: JackP

JackP — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:10:49 +0000

Okay, I’ll take “bitchy” back: you’re right - on reflection it wasn’t that bad [and I’ll edit the article to remove that reference] But it did come over as tetchy at least…

And I know Andy has direct access to the WG and it’s members — which is one of the reasons, that as he is someone I respect, even if I don’t always agree with — that if he was concerned about it, it seemed appropriate to me to be worried about it.

And I know that what I’m asking you (and anyone else in that situation to do) is to remain calm and cooly explain the situation when you’re fed up to the back teeth of it, when you’ve had people complaining at you all the time and so on — and that may not be fair, but I think it’s the standard we need to see from the working group(s), howsoever they may be set up…

By: fantasai

fantasai — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:55:06 +0000

I’m sorry that you don’t appreciate the tone. As for how long it took to post that, none of us was even aware that this would be considered an issue until Andy posted his piece and the blogosphere exploded. Now Andy *does* have direct access to the working group and its members, but despite not asking anyone he went and posted his predictions as if he had the inside word.

Btw, “even bitchy”? That is entirely inappropriate. I might be short on patience this week having spent most of it trying to cool down various fires, but I at least have not been blatantly insulting.