Comments on: Tolerance Is Anathema To Dawkins http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200810/tolerance-is-anathema-to-dawkins/ standards, accessibility, and ranting and general stuff by the web chemist Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:56:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Care http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200810/tolerance-is-anathema-to-dawkins/#comment-41671 Care Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:02:38 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=1079#comment-41671 I suppose a bendy-bus slogan of "There IS a God, so don't worry, enjoy life." would also be nice. Just another flavor of what KIND of 'god' is your God, if you choose one: a happy take-care-of-your-needs kind or the judgemental fire&brimstone kind... What the heck in a bendy-bus? Nevermind, I'll go google and see what pops up. I suppose a bendy-bus slogan of “There IS a God, so don’t worry, enjoy life.” would also be nice. Just another flavor of what KIND of ‘god’ is your God, if you choose one: a happy take-care-of-your-needs kind or the judgemental fire&brimstone kind…

What the heck in a bendy-bus? Nevermind, I’ll go google and see what pops up.

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By: JackP http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200810/tolerance-is-anathema-to-dawkins/#comment-41579 JackP Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:18:27 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=1079#comment-41579 ...for example, there's things like <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/the-goldilocks-enigma-by-paul-davies-423076.html" rel="nofollow">the goldilocks enigma</a>, which is a book by the scientist Paul Davies which considers the question of <em>why</em> the universe is fit for life (as there are about a dozen constants -- which theoretically could have had any value -- and which if tweaked by 2% or so would have meant life (or at least sentient life) would never have arisen), and he considers possibilities like God, and multiverses, and other stuff like that. It's a really interesting take on it, as he looks at a number of theories and presents his conclusions. Then you've got Stephen Hawking's A Briefer History of Time, which always messes with my head. Note Brief<em>er</em>; it's the newer one with less maths in. It's when you get stuff about time used to be part of space, until space was a particular size; the idea that you could travel in time by going <em>over there</em> seems odd rather than an accepted scientific theory... There's also The Universe Next Door and The Never Ending Days Of Being Dead, if you want other scientific takes on 'why are we here', and 'what's it all about, <em>really</em>, when you get down to it..?' …for example, there’s things like the goldilocks enigma, which is a book by the scientist Paul Davies which considers the question of why the universe is fit for life (as there are about a dozen constants — which theoretically could have had any value — and which if tweaked by 2% or so would have meant life (or at least sentient life) would never have arisen), and he considers possibilities like God, and multiverses, and other stuff like that.

It’s a really interesting take on it, as he looks at a number of theories and presents his conclusions.

Then you’ve got Stephen Hawking’s A Briefer History of Time, which always messes with my head. Note Briefer; it’s the newer one with less maths in. It’s when you get stuff about time used to be part of space, until space was a particular size; the idea that you could travel in time by going over there seems odd rather than an accepted scientific theory…

There’s also The Universe Next Door and The Never Ending Days Of Being Dead, if you want other scientific takes on ‘why are we here’, and ‘what’s it all about, really, when you get down to it..?’

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By: JackP http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200810/tolerance-is-anathema-to-dawkins/#comment-41577 JackP Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:52:36 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=1079#comment-41577 ...ah no, there's slightly more to it than that. There's a bit of "look at all the bad things done in the name of religion", and stuff like that. Dawkins also makes the case well (certainly in The Blind Watchmaker, can't remember offhand if it's in TGD) that you don't need to infer a God simply because you can't understand how something that complicated (such as the eye) could have arisen by chance. Dawkins calls it the 'argument from incredulity' and demolishes it somewhat: just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it isn't so. Sadly, he fails to apply the same rules to his own argument -- he finds it inconceivable that there could be a God, but fails to recognise that just because he can't understand how there could be one, that doesn't mean there isn't... And I have to say that I think if your viewpoint about the matter <em>is</em> as simplistic and cliched as you present, then maybe you should read more about it -- but not just from writers who would support your initial beliefs -- read something to try and challenge them also. Above all, make your own mind up, and don't let anyone else do it for you. …ah no, there’s slightly more to it than that.

There’s a bit of “look at all the bad things done in the name of religion”, and stuff like that. Dawkins also makes the case well (certainly in The Blind Watchmaker, can’t remember offhand if it’s in TGD) that you don’t need to infer a God simply because you can’t understand how something that complicated (such as the eye) could have arisen by chance. Dawkins calls it the ‘argument from incredulity’ and demolishes it somewhat: just because you don’t understand something, doesn’t mean it isn’t so.

Sadly, he fails to apply the same rules to his own argument — he finds it inconceivable that there could be a God, but fails to recognise that just because he can’t understand how there could be one, that doesn’t mean there isn’t…

And I have to say that I think if your viewpoint about the matter is as simplistic and cliched as you present, then maybe you should read more about it — but not just from writers who would support your initial beliefs — read something to try and challenge them also. Above all, make your own mind up, and don’t let anyone else do it for you.

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By: chartroose http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200810/tolerance-is-anathema-to-dawkins/#comment-41575 chartroose Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:47:00 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=1079#comment-41575 The above was my comment AGAIN! Talk about being a total imbecile... The above was my comment AGAIN! Talk about being a total imbecile…

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By: Anonymous http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200810/tolerance-is-anathema-to-dawkins/#comment-41574 Anonymous Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:45:43 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=1079#comment-41574 I was thinking of reading "The God Delusion" until someone told me the entire book can be summed up in one sentence: "God does not exist, and those who beieve in him are total imbeciles." I say that every day! I don't need to read about it. I was thinking of reading “The God Delusion” until someone told me the entire book can be summed up in one sentence: “God does not exist, and those who beieve in him are total imbeciles.” I say that every day! I don’t need to read about it.

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By: Shannon http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200810/tolerance-is-anathema-to-dawkins/#comment-41530 Shannon Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:42:08 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=1079#comment-41530 Absolutely loved this post, Jack! One thing you've always impressed me with -- your ability to disagree <em>amicably</em>. I wish more people on both sides had that ability, especially when preaching <em>tolerance</em> or <em>love</em>. Absolutely loved this post, Jack! One thing you’ve always impressed me with — your ability to disagree amicably. I wish more people on both sides had that ability, especially when preaching tolerance or love.

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