Comments on: Nadine Dorries: The Witchhunt http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200905/nadine-dorries-the-witchhunt/ ranting and rambling to anyone willing to listen Wed, 27 May 2009 10:30:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: JackP http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200905/nadine-dorries-the-witchhunt/comment-page-1/#comment-51975 JackP Tue, 26 May 2009 21:11:37 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=2854#comment-51975 ...and Dorries blog has returnethed, with a new stylee but minus some of the prior posts. <blockquote><p>On Friday afternoon, she closed all comments on her site, published a further accusation of this nature, and then swanned off for a three-day weekend, fully expecting to get away with this.</p><p>The Telegraph instructed lawyers, who contacted Nadine Dorries and the hosts of her website. Dorries was either unable or unwilling to make specific edits to her site at the time, and so her host was forced to stop it from broadcasting. </p><cite><a href="http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2009/05/iain_dale_seeks.asp" rel="nofollow">Bloggerheads</a></cite></blockquote> 'Twould <em>appear</em> therefore that the blog was temporarily taken down in order to remove one or more posts which had been suggested were libellous: once this/these were removed, the site is back up again. …and Dorries blog has returnethed, with a new stylee but minus some of the prior posts.

On Friday afternoon, she closed all comments on her site, published a further accusation of this nature, and then swanned off for a three-day weekend, fully expecting to get away with this.

The Telegraph instructed lawyers, who contacted Nadine Dorries and the hosts of her website. Dorries was either unable or unwilling to make specific edits to her site at the time, and so her host was forced to stop it from broadcasting.

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‘Twould appear therefore that the blog was temporarily taken down in order to remove one or more posts which had been suggested were libellous: once this/these were removed, the site is back up again.

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By: JackP http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200905/nadine-dorries-the-witchhunt/comment-page-1/#comment-51838 JackP Sat, 23 May 2009 15:00:25 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=2854#comment-51838 It does seem however that Nadine's blog <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/23/dorries-tory-mp-blog-taken-down" rel="nofollow">was taken down by Telegraph lawyers</a>. This would seem a fair point if she is, or has been making libellous comment, although surely simply requesting the removal of said comment would be a sensible first step? It would also appear, as I said previously, to contradict Nadine's previous assertion that there was a <em>request</em> to take it down. This rather looks like a forcible <em>demand</em>. Wonder if the Telegraph will have anything on this tomorrow? It does seem however that Nadine’s blog was taken down by Telegraph lawyers. This would seem a fair point if she is, or has been making libellous comment, although surely simply requesting the removal of said comment would be a sensible first step?

It would also appear, as I said previously, to contradict Nadine’s previous assertion that there was a request to take it down. This rather looks like a forcible demand.

Wonder if the Telegraph will have anything on this tomorrow?

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By: JackP http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200905/nadine-dorries-the-witchhunt/comment-page-1/#comment-51837 JackP Sat, 23 May 2009 14:52:14 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=2854#comment-51837 @The Kat ... erm, who described her as a blog hero? Did I miss something? [Edit: However, I also reserve the right to edit or remove comments I don't like. I generally <em>don't</em>, or only edit for language I find offensive, but I do reserve the right to do so, should I wish. Also to remove links to political parties/other sites I disagree with too. Although I do support the right of those parties to campaign, and have people vote for them if they wish (even though I personally would rather people didn't), I do draw the line at hosting links to those sites on my blog. Apologies if any offense has been caused]. @The Kat … erm, who described her as a blog hero? Did I miss something?

[Edit: However, I also reserve the right to edit or remove comments I don't like. I generally don't, or only edit for language I find offensive, but I do reserve the right to do so, should I wish. Also to remove links to political parties/other sites I disagree with too. Although I do support the right of those parties to campaign, and have people vote for them if they wish (even though I personally would rather people didn't), I do draw the line at hosting links to those sites on my blog. Apologies if any offense has been caused].

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By: The Kat http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200905/nadine-dorries-the-witchhunt/comment-page-1/#comment-51832 The Kat Sat, 23 May 2009 13:41:45 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=2854#comment-51832 Dorries is a cunt who rejected all critical comments. Hardly a blog hero. Dorries is a cunt who rejected all critical comments. Hardly a blog hero.

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By: Henry North London http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200905/nadine-dorries-the-witchhunt/comment-page-1/#comment-51831 Henry North London Sat, 23 May 2009 13:23:22 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=2854#comment-51831 Google cache http://is.gd/CDQd Google cache

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By: james c http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200905/nadine-dorries-the-witchhunt/comment-page-1/#comment-51823 james c Sat, 23 May 2009 11:06:29 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=2854#comment-51823 I suspect that Nadine's comments about her divorce are rather misleading. The court will surely take into consideration her outgoings in running a second home, as well as her allowances. I could be wrong, but here version doesn't seem very likely. I suspect that Nadine’s comments about her divorce
are rather misleading. The court will surely take into consideration her outgoings in running a second home, as well as her allowances. I could be wrong, but here version doesn’t seem very likely.

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By: The Goldfish http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200905/nadine-dorries-the-witchhunt/comment-page-1/#comment-51821 The Goldfish Sat, 23 May 2009 10:59:13 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=2854#comment-51821 The thing that bugs me is that if I fiddled my benefits claim in any small way, I wouldn't just risk a court appearance, there would be a real risk of being put in prison. For much smaller amounts of money. And as a benefits' claimant, the tone of all the correspondence I receive is threatening in this way; if you don't tell us everything, we're going to come get you. This winter our Income Support was frozen because we told them in advance about a change in circumstance that they took three months to process - they froze the money to avoid overpaying us because it was better that we might struggle and go into debt than we be trusted to pay money back in the event of being overpaid. As it was, we managed okay, just. Now that's harsh; that's a system that really can make you paranoid and fearful. I'm not altogether unsympathetic with MPs because I also know how "expense account cultures" can come about - I am concerned that this might bring the downfall of a government which has done far worse things than fiddle expenses. But for any of them to present as victims in this... grrrr. The thing that bugs me is that if I fiddled my benefits claim in any small way, I wouldn’t just risk a court appearance, there would be a real risk of being put in prison. For much smaller amounts of money. And as a benefits’ claimant, the tone of all the correspondence I receive is threatening in this way; if you don’t tell us everything, we’re going to come get you.

This winter our Income Support was frozen because we told them in advance about a change in circumstance that they took three months to process - they froze the money to avoid overpaying us because it was better that we might struggle and go into debt than we be trusted to pay money back in the event of being overpaid. As it was, we managed okay, just.

Now that’s harsh; that’s a system that really can make you paranoid and fearful. I’m not altogether unsympathetic with MPs because I also know how “expense account cultures” can come about - I am concerned that this might bring the downfall of a government which has done far worse things than fiddle expenses. But for any of them to present as victims in this… grrrr.

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By: JackP http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200905/nadine-dorries-the-witchhunt/comment-page-1/#comment-51809 JackP Sat, 23 May 2009 08:51:25 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=2854#comment-51809 There are suggestions that Nadine Dorries blog has been taken down because of a takedown notice issued by, or on behalf of the Barclay Brothers in respect of the allegations made about them. If this <em>is</em> the case, then I would hope to see either an announcement that they are taking her to court over the allegations <em>or</em> to see her blog return, as anything else smcks of bully-boy tactics. Of course, all this is merely a <em>suggestion</em> I have come across; I have heard no official statement saying that this actually is the case... It would also seemingly contradict Dorries own statement -- that they have been "asked" to take it down -- as a notice of this nature would be more in the way of a <em>demand</em>, surely? @CllrBrody: good point - Duck houses are presumably one of those 'security measures'! There are suggestions that Nadine Dorries blog has been taken down because of a takedown notice issued by, or on behalf of the Barclay Brothers in respect of the allegations made about them.

If this is the case, then I would hope to see either an announcement that they are taking her to court over the allegations or to see her blog return, as anything else smcks of bully-boy tactics.

Of course, all this is merely a suggestion I have come across; I have heard no official statement saying that this actually is the case…

It would also seemingly contradict Dorries own statement — that they have been “asked” to take it down — as a notice of this nature would be more in the way of a demand, surely?

@CllrBrody: good point - Duck houses are presumably one of those ’security measures’!

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By: Councillor Jack Brody http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200905/nadine-dorries-the-witchhunt/comment-page-1/#comment-51769 Councillor Jack Brody Sat, 23 May 2009 00:17:36 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=2854#comment-51769 Clearly MPs need duckhouses - where else can they hide while this furore is taking place? Cllr Brody, J Clearly MPs need duckhouses - where else can they hide while this furore is taking place?

Cllr Brody, J

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By: Phil http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200905/nadine-dorries-the-witchhunt/comment-page-1/#comment-51766 Phil Fri, 22 May 2009 23:50:14 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=2854#comment-51766 "Is it an allowance that MPs are free to spend as they see fit (and that’s certainly the way it would appear many MPs have used it) or is it simply to defray expenses?" The Green Book makes it clear that the "allowances" are definitely the latter: "Parliamentary allowances are designed to ensure that Members are reimbursed for costs properly incurred in the performance of their duties." and "Claims should be above reproach and must reflect actual usage of the resources being claimed. Claims must only be made for expenditure that it was necessary for a Member to incur to ensure that he or she could properly perform his or her parliamentary duties. Allowances are reimbursed only for the purpose of a Member carrying out his or her parliamentary duties." http://www.parliament.uk/documents/upload/GreenBook.pdf (Part I, "Principles governing Members' allowances") “Is it an allowance that MPs are free to spend as they see fit (and that’s certainly the way it would appear many MPs have used it) or is it simply to defray expenses?”

The Green Book makes it clear that the “allowances” are definitely the latter:

“Parliamentary allowances are designed to ensure that Members are reimbursed for costs properly incurred in the performance of their duties.”

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“Claims should be above reproach and must reflect actual usage of the resources being claimed.

Claims must only be made for expenditure that it was necessary for a Member to incur to ensure that he or she could properly perform his or her parliamentary duties.

Allowances are reimbursed only for the purpose of a Member carrying out his or her parliamentary duties.”

http://www.parliament.uk/documents/upload/GreenBook.pdf (Part I, “Principles governing Members’ allowances”)

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