Comments on: Accessibility Allies Against A11y http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200910/accessibility-allies-against-a11y/ ranting and rambling to anyone willing to listen Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:54:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Bennett McElwee http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200910/accessibility-allies-against-a11y/comment-page-1/#comment-60861 Bennett McElwee Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:38:13 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=3850#comment-60861 It's like a cancer. It started with i18n, which made some sense since internationalatorisation is such a long word. But then someone thought that it would be cute if the complementary term "localisation" received the same treatment, even though it doesn't need it because it's not that long. Similarly, "accessibility" is not that long and does not need its own special a10n. But I think it's OK as a hashtag because it's idiomatic, and is no more cryptic than half the other hashtags out there. And it's not called the alt <em>tag</em>. It's the alt <em>thingy</em>. It’s like a cancer. It started with i18n, which made some sense since internationalatorisation is such a long word. But then someone thought that it would be cute if the complementary term “localisation” received the same treatment, even though it doesn’t need it because it’s not that long. Similarly, “accessibility” is not that long and does not need its own special a10n.

But I think it’s OK as a hashtag because it’s idiomatic, and is no more cryptic than half the other hashtags out there.

And it’s not called the alt tag. It’s the alt thingy.

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By: Aaron Leventhal http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200910/accessibility-allies-against-a11y/comment-page-1/#comment-60738 Aaron Leventhal Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:43:56 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=3850#comment-60738 What Henny said. It's an appropriate abbreviation in certain contexts -- e.g. between coders or on Twitter. I do suggest one more abbrevation, just one I promise! I think bikeshedding should be b10g Just a small joke :) What Henny said. It’s an appropriate abbreviation in certain contexts — e.g. between coders or on Twitter.

I do suggest one more abbrevation, just one I promise!
I think bikeshedding should be b10g

Just a small joke :)

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By: Joe Chidzik http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200910/accessibility-allies-against-a11y/comment-page-1/#comment-60722 Joe Chidzik Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:25:07 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=3850#comment-60722 Though I like the sound of #access, searching twitter for it produces loads of results about MS Access. #usable obviously already tied to #usability, but isn't there so much cross over with accessibility they could be used interchangeably? (I'm curious as to what usability peeps would say on this, but I like #usable as a #a11y alternative) I would say accessibility implies usability - accessibility isn't just about having keyboard access, but making that keyboard access easy (logical tab order, visible focus etc) Though I like the sound of #access, searching twitter for it produces loads of results about MS Access.

#usable obviously already tied to #usability, but isn’t there so much cross over with accessibility they could be used interchangeably? (I’m curious as to what usability peeps would say on this, but I like #usable as a #a11y alternative)

I would say accessibility implies usability – accessibility isn’t just about having keyboard access, but making that keyboard access easy (logical tab order, visible focus etc)

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By: Gary Miller http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200910/accessibility-allies-against-a11y/comment-page-1/#comment-60661 Gary Miller Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:50:13 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=3850#comment-60661 Feet planted in the 'against' camp. Fine if it's used among a group who are savvy to the expanded version, but keep it within specific user/interest groups please. Just my take on it... Feet planted in the ‘against’ camp. Fine if it’s used among a group who are savvy to the expanded version, but keep it within specific user/interest groups please.

Just my take on it…

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By: Seb Crump http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200910/accessibility-allies-against-a11y/comment-page-1/#comment-60657 Seb Crump Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:23:35 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=3850#comment-60657 @Aaron I think it's the wrong solution - it's technically easy to set up auto-correction or other text-expander type software to achieve this. I have no objection to you typing l18n or whatever, I do object to reading it though. It goes against the "don't make me think" maxim. I'm with Jack that it o8s u12y and I w3d n4y go so far as to say that it will b3g a3t the end of c12e c11n in c10n! @Aaron I think it’s the wrong solution – it’s technically easy to set up auto-correction or other text-expander type software to achieve this. I have no objection to you typing l18n or whatever, I do object to reading it though. It goes against the “don’t make me think” maxim.

I’m with Jack that it o8s u12y and I w3d n4y go so far as to say that it will b3g a3t the end of c12e c11n in c10n!

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By: Henny Swan http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200910/accessibility-allies-against-a11y/comment-page-1/#comment-60645 Henny Swan Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:19:22 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=3850#comment-60645 What Aaron said. It's part of a bigger picture of trimming down long and often written words that are problematic to write over and over again. It should be used only when suitable to context i.e. with others who work in that area and not in general blog posts etc. It also works for me on Twitter with 140 characters but shouldn't be used if you can fit the full word in. I really don't see it as a big issue. Yes there will be people who don't know the meaning but like with most things you don't know about you ask / search for an answer. I do that constantly in my day-to-day work. What Aaron said.

It’s part of a bigger picture of trimming down long and often written words that are problematic to write over and over again. It should be used only when suitable to context i.e. with others who work in that area and not in general blog posts etc.

It also works for me on Twitter with 140 characters but shouldn’t be used if you can fit the full word in.

I really don’t see it as a big issue. Yes there will be people who don’t know the meaning but like with most things you don’t know about you ask / search for an answer. I do that constantly in my day-to-day work.

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By: JackP http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200910/accessibility-allies-against-a11y/comment-page-1/#comment-60642 JackP Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:28:05 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=3850#comment-60642 I <em>am</em> "used to it"; that doesn't stop me from feeling that it is inherently <em>wrong</em> and those trying to promote accessibility should not use abbreviations which make a barrier to understanding. It seems to me that this rather misses the <em>point</em> of accessibility, and that those claiming it's okay if you only use it when you think your audience is other people who already know it are the equivalent of people who say "but blind people don't use my site". You're putting up an unnecessary barrier. You shouldn't. End of. I am “used to it”; that doesn’t stop me from feeling that it is inherently wrong and those trying to promote accessibility should not use abbreviations which make a barrier to understanding.

It seems to me that this rather misses the point of accessibility, and that those claiming it’s okay if you only use it when you think your audience is other people who already know it are the equivalent of people who say “but blind people don’t use my site”.

You’re putting up an unnecessary barrier. You shouldn’t. End of.

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By: Aaron Leventhal http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200910/accessibility-allies-against-a11y/comment-page-1/#comment-60626 Aaron Leventhal Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:43:52 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=3850#comment-60626 You'll get used to it. It's just programmer's shorthand, and not necessarily meant as the friendly end-user facing term. It follows l10n (localization) and i18n (internationalization), which both came before. The pattern is first letter + # of letters + last letter. Basically, it's a lot easier to type when you have to type it many times each day, which is important for those have have suffered repetitive strain like myself. You’ll get used to it. It’s just programmer’s shorthand, and not necessarily meant as the friendly end-user facing term. It follows l10n (localization) and i18n (internationalization), which both came before. The pattern is first letter + # of letters + last letter.

Basically, it’s a lot easier to type when you have to type it many times each day, which is important for those have have suffered repetitive strain like myself.

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By: Gary Miller http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200910/accessibility-allies-against-a11y/comment-page-1/#comment-60616 Gary Miller Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:13:39 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=3850#comment-60616 Very good...now all I have to do is figure which camp I fall into... Very good…now all I have to do is figure which camp I fall into…

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By: JackP http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200910/accessibility-allies-against-a11y/comment-page-1/#comment-60610 JackP Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:00:30 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/?p=3850#comment-60610 Gary, nope, it's part of my credo. See my <a href="http://www.alistapart.com/articles/alphabet/" rel="nofollow"><acronym title="A List Apart">ALA</acronym> article</a>... Gary, nope, it’s part of my credo. See my ALA article

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